Answering Questions:
Does Bible & Quran gives the same message?
But rendu perum ore vishayatha dhan solli iruppanugo.....
Definitely not, some others do question and think that the God's of both this books are the same. But it is not so.
1. Bible is very different from any other books of this world. It was written over 1,000 to 1,500 years by 40 different authors and it consists of 66 books. It was written at different centuries and by different people at different situations and circumstances of life(at war, at peace, at prison, when they were shepherding the sheep...etc) but yet they all point out to one person - Jesus Christ. No one had any idea that they were writing "The Bible", but yet it was inspired by God and they were made to write in such a manner that forms "The Holy Bible". This is not possible for any other book in the history. Because such consistency in its message for such a long time ranging from 1,000-1,500 years is impossible, and then the other aspect is that it authors about 40. The Gospels which gives us the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ was written by his disciples, reliability for any historical documents are its source of how, who, when and what was written. If we consider Bible, when it was written after the people and incidents that took place. Gospels Matthew, Mark, John and Luke were written just after Jesus' ascension to heaven. So, its historically verifiable and accuracy at 100%. We now have more than 5,000 manuscripts of this Gospels (Manuscripts are copies that were written by scribes, they copied from the original texts written by the authors, since there was no printing press or xerox, it was hand copied by this scribes, scribes are very efficient in copying the text, as they use to calculate the number of letters from each page and then see the copied text if the same text has been copied, when they were copying they know it is the "Word of God", so they took caution at each and every letter that they were copying). Though Bible does not give us the whole picture of how the Universe was created, it denotes/points to a creator - God. It presumes that God exists - Eternally. And it is Elohim. Then it points to the order of creation and why humans was given such specialty, because they were made in the image/likeness of God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvtOJ3Gwlyo
This is not so with Quran or Vedas/Bagavat Gita/Ramayanam etc. Because these are written by a particular person. For Ex: Quran was written by Mohammed and at first he got dilutions, dreams, visions and nightmares that God told him to write a book - Quran. He use to spit up and have bad head ace. Then he confirmed that this is word of god by his wife. Historical references states that he did not write even a single word in quran(as he was illiterate) but his followers wrote. It is said that each and every word was told by angel Gabriel and quran was written - word to word the word of god. We will see some of the texts and could prove that this cannot be true.
a) Texts that are not scientific
Sun setting is given very unscientifically in quran, Quran 18:83
when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/11/quran-error-does-sun-set-in-muddy.html
b) Texts that benefit the prophet personally.
On polygamy, child marriage, treatment of woman. etc
Pattern of marriage set by the Mohammed, as he married a six year old girl.
Sahih Muslim 3480—It was narrated that Aishah said: “The Prophet married me when I was six years old, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old.”
c) Texts that can be formed by simple usage of language and no special revelation is required
According to the 109th Surah of the Qur’an, Muhammad and the unbelievers did not worship the same Being:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2017/10/answering-islam-4-did-muhammad-use.html
2. God of Christianity and Islam
God of Justice: Bible gives many references that God will Justify the sins of people, Though Israel was the chosen nation, when they sinned against God, God punished them. The ultimate sacrifice and an answer for all the sins of this world is in the Cross. Where Jesus was crucified for our sins. Making a way for us sinners to reach God - Who is Holy, Pure.
Islam's way of Judgment is very different from Christianity,
a) Forgiveness in Christianity and Islam
Repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and savior: In the old testament God allowed people to sacrifice animals instead of them and an offering for the sins, but this cannot save anyone of their sins. So, Jesus Christ is the lamb of God who came to save the sinners. As all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, all should have been punished for our sins. Since God is Truth, Perfect, Holy he cannot accept anyone who has done even a small sin like a lie, or a theft etc. So, God made a perfect way for us to come to him through Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 10:4-6 (NLV)
The blood of animals cannot take away the sins of men.
In The New Way of Worship One Gift Was Given
5 When Christ came to the world, He said to God, “You do not want animals killed or gifts given in worship. You have made My body ready to give as a gift. 6 You are not pleased with animals that have been killed or burned and given as gifts on the altar to take away sin.
b) Trinity In Christianity
Jesus Christ is not a God, He is the only God. But in Christianity there is Trinity, where God the Father, God the Son - Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit. They three are the same one God, but in three personalities. How can it be? it is a mystery. God is omnipotent, he can know our past, present and future. He cannot be seen by any human eye. Because he is pure and holy. As we have sinned and fallen short of his glory we are limited in our understanding of God in full, but God himself represented in the form of Man - Jesus Christ. When we see Jesus Christ as Son of God, he is a person in Trinity and God, that is why when he was crucified he was dead as Man, but still alive as God. Even when he born as a child that does not mean he took birth only two thousand years ago. He existed forever - Everlasting, only he took the form of Man at two thousand years ago. A simple understanding as to why God should be three persons and not one is to see who God would have spoken before creating Universe? Islam cannot answer as allah is one and only one, cannot have a Son or relationship with any other. So, Islam cannot answer as to who did allah spoke when he created everything? as far as Hinduism or any other religious belief consists nothing answers where there was "Unity in Diversity" as like the Judeo- Christian vies of God as Trinity. God is one in one sense and three in another sense. i.e in persons.
What is Hinduism?
A very basic reference to who was called a Hindu could be found in the ancient books and traditions and rituals. Basically anyone who crosses the river Indus was called as an Hindu. Hinduism consists of varied concepts of God, creation, existence, purpose and destiny. We can see that the tradition dates back to very old as human history in BCs. Basically people were searching for Truth, the oneness of God - One True God(even Vedas states the same) in fact the Vedas prohibit Idol worship which is predominant in Hinduism.
Is Idol worship right?
Prohibition of Idol Worship in Yajurveda
"There is no image of him. He is unborned and He should be worshipped" (Yajurveda, Chapter 32, Verse 3)
"god is bodyless and pure" (Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 8)
"They are entering darkness, those who worship the natural things(like air, water, fire etc.
So, these people were searching for Truth, Light, Meaning and Purpose of Life. It can be seen from one of the ancient poem:
असतोम सद्गमय, Asatoma Sadgamaya – From Unreal Lead me to Real
तमसोमा ज्योतिर्गमय,Tamasoma Jyotirgamaya – From Darkness Lead me to Light
मृत्योर्मा अमृतंगमया, Mrityorma Amritamgamaya – From Death Lead me to Immortality
The person of Jesus answers these questions in the Gospels.
When he said,
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. He brings all these converging points into one answer, "I AM".
For centuries people were searching for an answer for the way, how can I reach to God? Will I attain Heaven - Place where God is seated. Will I be with God forever? When Jesus came he not only showed the Way, but he is the only Way to Heaven. No matter what we try to please God the Father it is impossible for us to live up to the standards which confirms Truth, Holiness and Perfectness, because of the concept of "Original Sin" that all of us have fallen short and we can never be able to be so Pure as God, we will have to submit and surrender our will to God himself, who found a Way, the only Way for us to reach him. Through Jesus Christ, his sacrifice by Crucifixion on the Cross, was not only for the remission of sins by shedding the blood, but a pathway to God, Heaven.
Jesus said, "I am the light of the world". Because he knows the darkness in this world, not that kind of darkness that comes in the night, but the darkness in sin that is with you and in me. The beginning verses of The Gospel of John states this... quote John 3:19 NIV
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
He said this propounding statement of Way, Truth and Life to the one who came to preach the Gospel to the part of World which was crying to find the Way, was trying hard to know the Truth and to the one who cares for Life and to fulfill its purpose. Yes, Thomas came to India at about 50-100 AD, Just after Jesus' ascension to Heaven as one of the Disciples who doubted if Jesus resurrected, to whom Jesus appeared and asked not to doubt, asked him to touch and feel the nailed hand and the pierced side. He confessed, "My Lord, my God".
All holy books are to prophes(Prophets) the concept of God tat too 1000's of year back.. religion is a belief.. belief in itself is subjective to each person's thought process
[10:23 AM, 11/21/2017] +91 99642 73184: No matter what, there is something called as absolute truth. No one can claim that without both coherence and facts. Only Judeo-Christian has it.
Now to understand any particular statement we need to understand the basic logic. For Ex: If I say all cats are animals, all animals are not cats then its a mutually exclusive statement if I say, Some Animals are Cats.
If we consider religion to be a subjective matter, ex: I like strawberry, some others like orange. We are assuming religion to be just a part of our life and it is based on feelings. But actually it is not.
Now when we say God. He is not subjective and there is nothing to do with though process. Because any other entity will have a reference, but God exists out of a reference point. Ex: I am a Human Being I exist because I live, I consume food, I intake oxygen for breathing etc. God is everlasting.
What forms as religion of this world is subjective and it is according to each person's thought process. But a truth claim cannot consider this statement. This statement does not have any proof of its own. It is flawed by its own statement that there is a belief system that is not according to the right path or right way, and it is subjective and according to the thought process is because of its basic structure.
Paul states this in the book of Romans:
IF we were to say a beautiful picture in a paper is somehow by nature the required amount of ink, structure and color was added and it came into existence no one will believe. So, can we consider that as subjective? I don't feel like some one would have drawn it? No. These are absolute truth, I say someone should have drawn it. It is impossible for the nature to create such thing.
Now, we get into the fact of life. Sin is true. Its very evident with the evil nature that we each and everyone have. Either lying, stealing, getting angry. etc.
Now, if some one says I don't believe in the existence of gravity so I will walk in and through a cliff, or jumps from a cliff stating since I don't believe in gravity. Will have be able to walk in the sky? can he be able to over come the force of gravity? No. Such is the case with the existence of God.
There are many other theories to prove the existence of God, but only those who can reason and understand the meaning of Truth will accept it. There is a factor of risk in believing God. Accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. Because once we accept and surrender to God all our will, our life, our freedom should be given to him. In fact we have to submit and surrender ourselves to him. This will limit us doing sinful things, becoming God for ourselves, leaving our old form of life. etc. this is where many people fear, John clearly stated this right when he said,
He came to save the lost, He came to save the sinners.
The horizontal is a little easier to understand because it does not require much philosophizing. The basic argument is that all things that have beginnings had to have causes. The universe had a beginning; therefore, the universe had a cause. That cause, being outside the whole universe, is God.
https://www.gotquestions.org/cosmological-argument.html
How other religions began?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLcCY1mapgQ
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How Christianity Started?
So, a true religion Christianity cannot just be a belief system, where it is neither subjective nor its because of each person's thought process.
A simple analysis of the growth of Christianity could be the answer, Jewish religious leaders or any historians would tell that a religion like Christianity could not have grown to such extent if the facts were not so true.
I'm just telling concept of God is individual choice.
This is a statement that assumes that since the person has made a choice to believe or not to believe he concludes that the concept of God itself is an individual's choice. There are more than one logical errors in this statement. If I say "all cats are animals, that does not mean all the animals should be cats only", because there are many other animals.. Just because I know Cats I cannot conclude animals should be cats only.
(till now I didn't even read one page of bagavath geetha)
Just before this statement the person states that he has not even read one page of a religious text that he supports or believes. So, not a strong statement to make an argument. The statement's weakness leads to poor judgmental and analysis of scientific facts and data.
No matter what, there is something called as absolute truth. No one can claim that without both coherence and facts. Only Judeo-Christian has it.
What is Absolute Truth?
Truth is said to be the most valuable aspect in our life. Jesus said, I am the Truth... Know the Truth, truth will set you free...
Absolute truth is something that is true at all times and in all places. It is something that is always true no matter what the circumstances. It is a fact that cannot be changed. For example, there are no round squares. ... These are all true by definition.
There was an article on Temptations in one of the Airline magazine that went like this. There was this man sitting next to an attractive women.
https://www.rforh.com/resources/know-it/diving-deeper/makes-christianity-right
https://www.gotquestions.org/absolute-truth.html
If Christianity claims that it is the one true religion and there cannot be any other way to God. It is a Absolute truth statement. There are basically three types of tests to prove if this is correct. Christianity passes all these tests. If Christianity is a true religion, then is there a possibility of other religion's claim to be the right one? No, since the claim of Christianity is that not all the ways (or religions/beliefs/systems/Guru/Gods etc) can lead to eternal life or heaven. Christianity claims or Jesus Christ claims that he is the one and only true God and he is the only way to God and there is no other way to heaven.
Concept of God
Now someone can simply state I know the concept of God, that it differs from each person to person because we have hundreds of thousands of religion. What they try to say is by their limited thinking and understanding what they think is that God as a concept is just a personal opinion. But this cannot be true. For ex: I don't know if Bermuda Triangle case are true or false because I have not been there. So, I cannot say there is no Bermuda Triangle as I have never realized it. Same goes with the concept of God.
Theory until proven is just concept soo all religions are belief systems.. they can't be proven as absolute truth so concept of god is called "belief"
[10:35 AM, 11/21/2017] +91 99642 73184: Even science gives is theories, but we believe in it. No one was there when the big bang happens can we reject just because no one was there?
But there are enough proofs for the person of Jesus Christ's Birth, life, death and resurrection. That no other historical manuscripts has so much accuracy as the Gospels(about 5,000) and were written by eye witnesses with in 50-100 AD
This again is a self-contradicting statement, "Can't be proven as absolute truth" in itself a statement that he tries to establish as a truth statement that others should believe in???
Theory until proven is just concept: So, Theories about Jesus Christ or Christianity all have been proven. So, its no more a concept. So, Christianity has proven that its not just a personal choice that makes this as a religious belief, but it is a fact that Jesus Christ existed, his life, death on cross, resurrection after three days and ascension to heaven and is alive forevermore.
Can't be proven as absolute truth: when the evidences are so clear and to denounce just in a statement anything can be said. I can say 2+2 is not equal to 4, but its 5. Will it become a fact just because I said so??? No statement should be made without proper assessment of the subject and object in a statement. If we try to make such statements we fail in more than one logical tests.
Logical inconsistencies....
Theory until proven - Science has not proved many concepts (Big Bang) but with all the facts they have come to a conclusion that Universe should have a beginning. All religions can be said as belief systems, but Christianity claims to be the only true religion. So, its not a belief system. There are enough proofs and evidences for Christ as God and it is therefore an Absolute Truth and as we could see it proved as not just a theory there is no point to bring the concept of God again.
Logically Consistent statement:
Theories were proven in Christ's life, death & resurrection, so its no more just a concept of God, all religions are not the same, Christianity claims to be the only true religion. So, its not a belief system. There are many proofs and evidences, in fact Christianity is the only religion that accepts the facts to be verified. So, Christ's claim of Divinity i.e God is an absolute truth statement and he is God. So people all around the world believe in him.
B.C reference illeya - Is there no reference for BC? in Manuscripts?
of course we have. Plenty of them.
Dead sea scrolls:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
Get to know something about Carbon-Dating system. Which confirms when and where those manuscripts were written. Just like humans, animals and plants have DNAs these manuscripts were written on either Animal skins:(The term parchment is a general term for an animal skin which has been prepared for writing or printing. Parchment has been made for centuries, and is usually calf, goat, or sheep skin. The term vellum from the French veau refers to a parchment made from calf skin.)
If you are asking about the references for Jesus Christ in BC. In the Bible it says he existed forever, everlasting, Almighty God. Jesus' birth was predicted more than 700 years by a Prophet called Isaiah, there are more number of references in the Bible in BC for Jesus Christ than any other person.
The whole Bible, which in one sense tells that the World could have had a beginning for about 7,000 to 14,000 years ago. This is exact calculation from the birth of Adam till now. In another reference considering the years that might have been millions of years(when satan was thrown from heaven) dates to any of the scientific dates like 15 millions to some billions of years. But Bible refers that God created the Heavens and Earth at the very first verse. So, Jesus was there in the beginning before anything was created, because he was God, he is God and he will be the only God forever.
In fact not only the date of his birth, but the place of birth, to which bloodline he will born. All were predicted or prophesied and everything has happened as exactly as it is.
Who said Jesus is not a historical figure.. it also a fact that Buddha was born , Mahaveer Jain was born, Mohammed was born.. all are historical facts.. concept of God and belief systems that they are messagerns of God or God themselves is subjective and can't be proven.. it is subjective to each person's belief system
[10:46 AM, 11/21/2017] +91 99642 73184: Can you prove me any 1 in history proved as God like Jesus. He claimed to be God(The great IAM) which means he does not has a beginning nor end. He claimed that he will die and resurrect after 3 days, as said he did. So, there could be many who claimed to be God or to know God. But Jesus alone proved it.
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Not so... and here is why.
I never said that you claimed that Jesus never existed and never did I claim that Buddha or any other personalities were born. Here you see, you limited the fact that the divinity of Jesus is not only by his birth, but most importantly his life, death and resurrection. No one in the history of mankind claimed to have resurrected and lived forever and only God can and that is Jesus Christ. Any other person who claimed to do so, failed. Ex: Mohammed died drinking poison, which he said he will not die. All the myths and mythological characters died. Buddha died, in fact he was so confused about the meaning and purpose of life, and the complexity in understanding life after death. He gave up all the things which he liked and gave up.
Again "Concept of God", "Belief System" proved to be the correct one in Christianity. I am not stating it is false you are. Need to check and verify the facts rather than limiting it will not make an argument correct.
Here again there is no direct answer to my question as to prove if anyone person in the history like Jesus who proved to be the God.
Historic happening sare classified as BC and AD ... BC asserts that there were people , animals, and also god before christ born ..
[10:54 AM, 11/21/2017] +91 99642 73184: Andha BC kum AD karaname avur than.... Jesus was born 2,017 years before means, that year he took the form of man (that is for a specific purpose - to die for the sins) but as he said he is everlasting....
John 8:58
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
If we were to compare Christ with other historical figures you are right in stating that Jesus was born 2,000 years ago and Christianity came into existence only after that. But the fact is Jesus' birth as a human took place about 2,000 years ago. But he is an everlasting God, he has no beginning nor end. First we need to separate Jesus from comparing with other historical people or those who claimed to know God or Gods, because he is unique, No one ever was or will be able to do what he has done. He claimed to be God and proved it. There are many other people you suggest, they either claimed to be God and did not prove it or they never even claimed to be God nor did they proved to be God.
U can include it as well along with some 1000's of other belief system.. to be precise there are as many belief systems as there are human beings as even with single religion.. each person's imagination of God is different
again the problem of generalization, just because I see it as an apple, it should be apple. But brother you are looking into an orange tree. I saw it as an orange because neither apple nor any other fruit other than orange can grow in an orange tree. If what you said in the above statement is true, then there should have been 8 billion + Gods. Is that true? believing in everything is equal to believing in nothing. I state this: those who claim that all the ways will lead to heaven make an absolute truth claim, what they claim is false because Christianity is the only true religion and if Christianity is the true religion their claim cannot be true. Their claim in itself is falsehood. There is no guarantee, proof, not understanding that they also try to ascertain their belief to others, they claim their statement as truth.
What the above statement says is if I believe in certain way, everyone has to believe in that way only. Not so. There are many things that are different but yet God has to be same, one true God has to be there and that too the person of Jesus Christ, God head of three. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The whole idea of pantheism is to believe in everything, do whatever you want, you can pay the karma later. All the ways will lead to heaven, you can pay the karma later and what you are is because of your Good or Bad deeds you did it in the last generation. ???
There is no end in the circle of karma and dharma. There is no point of re-generation if your sins are not forgiven, because you will never attain moksha or Heaven if only you are like God, Pure and Holy which you can never be. So, what is the solution the panthestic world view gives??? Believe and do the duties to the worthless idols??? imaginations and rootless and worthless dedications???
God in the person of Jesus never limits anyone's Good deeds, but is there any Good than God? So, even if we do all the good can we ever be like God? No, never. This is the reason why Jesus claims that it is impossible for man, but possible by God. He showed the way to heaven for us by sacrificing himself in our place. The most difficult part in forgiveness of Sin is not paying with our own blood, which will not resolve the problem, but accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, because his Blood is precious not every man can get the salvation, but the only who believes that there is no way that I can by myself cleans the heart that is contaminated by the pollution of the world.
So u believe that Jesus christ is the god or lord or almighty whatever u call?
It is not whatever I call, It is what he claimed to be and what he proved to me and all those who believe him. So, you question suggests that you do not believe so because what you believe in Jesus Christ is all about what you have been told in quran. Which I consider to be a false statement of the Truth. Can anyone believe a statement written by an eyewitness and at the movement of the person's life or after some 500-700 years and have no clue about that person? I consider the quran to be a distorted historical facts, which claims to be the word of god, when the concept of God is not proved and the belief system which has no proper evidences. A simple analysis of few verses give us an idea about quran and its god and its ideology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2htOWOF4gqs
Ask Jesus when he talks to you.. Why world is following soo many religions.. if all the living beings are his creation then y God has sent only homosapien and not chicken, goat, sheep, why male y not female... Y he made dinosaurs go extent
Why world is following soo many religions?
Its like asking why do we have so many varieties/flavors of Ice creams? No, but this is just a simple question. To answer your question. I wanted you to think why can't it be more than one religion? God is Love. Not that kind of love which we understand as to give me something in return I will give you something. The highest form of human relationships like Mother loving a Child, a lover loving his/her loved once. Can't even compared with the kind of Love that God has for us Humans. Having said that you can ask then why he did not allow every one to believe in him only? Because of the fact that he Loves us. Say, if God made everyone to believe in him only, as the True and Loving God. It would be like a robotic system. You cannot Love a person so much that if you do not give him the freedom of choice, what we call it in theology as "Freewill". This is the only point of reference that can be bought anyone to be knees to bow down and worship the creator who is so creative and pure and loving like Lord Jesus. He has given me the choice to chose him and I know that God is Love and so in response for his unlimited Love I care to do so by willing to share his Love, to worship and honor him. He did not just leave us with the freewill, for whoever goes to him submitting and surrendering his will to God's will, for him God will reveal everything.
I bet you could ask the second part of the question to any of the pantheistic world view person, who believes everything as God, not me... Believing Chicken, Goat, Sheep, Male only etc.... as God or gods.
Then your question to me can be pointed to the person of Jesus Christ as a Human and Male:
God because of his unlimited Love towards us humans, chose to become one among us. This is not a choice that he made after looking at our condition. But it was pre-destined that Christ will be born as a child and will be Jesus, as a Son of Carpenter - Just a human being he claimed to be God, it is impossible to believe, how God can become human? Jews rejected it, Islam never thought about it, many other religions just took it as another gods in their stream. But God chose his only begotten son
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Can't God chose what he wants to be? He can as for as Jesus Christ is concerned. He is the true God, who claimed to be God, who was God, who will God forever.
Dinosaurs going extinct has got nothing to prove that he doesn't exist. In fact your concern is about something that is irrelevant for this point, as to why he made that in first place? do you think about that, that means you believe that Jesus is The God and the only God. He is the person in the God head of the Trinity? If not your question here is irrelevant.
It is like stating I believe in the evil in this world, satan, demon, wrongs. but not God? because I see more bad than good around me, so it is possible God is silent or he is not there? All of your assumptions will be failed if just you turn the perspective towards the person of Jesus Christ on the cross. He said, "Father, forgive them for they doesn't know what they are doing". He said to those who questioned him, "if you are God, come down so that we may believe" to those who said, "He claimed to be God, saved many but today he could not able to save himself". to those who spat on him, to those who crucified him, who made fun of him. Even to me and to you.
Can you prove me any 1 in history proved as God like Jesus. /
Who proved that Jesus as God ?
What do you want as proof? think of all possible ways of how you want a God, who created the Universe, who is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. Who from the beginning revealed himself through the burning bush to Moses, lead the Israelite through the wilderness, made the red sea open and paved a way for the people of God to pass through it, when the water was like Ice stood between them and allowed only the Egyptians to collapse and die in it. Who through prophets and kings and poets and writers through centuries after centuries blessed them, forgave them, led them. And finally came as a Human in the person of Jesus Christ to forgive your and my sins. Every heart beat knows deep inside a part that cannot be filled, the search for the truth, who can save me from my sins? when I can never become like God, what is the solution? what happens after this life? cry of human heart, weakness and failures because of our nature, who can but God alone can cure it. And it was God Jesus Chris who in form of Human just like you and me, born in a poor family, lived a simple life, knowing who he is, but never used his power for vain, but for a purpose. Died on the cross, shed the blood. As all the animal sacrificed to save us from our sins, for all the offerings put together could never save from our sins. Jesus took the form of Human and allowed himself to be crucified on the cross, took that pain, ever wondered why? because of his Love towards us. He broke that movement the bridge between Heaven and Earth, to your and mine heart to connect with that of God's heart. He opened up the place that is called as the holy of hollies that we may enter in the presence of God, that pure and that perfect God. You ask me why? let us rather than asking to prove, submit and surrender our will, for we know there is no other way, no other solutions for our sins, no other gods or god can help us in this way as like Jesus. He turned the worst of the criminals to be his followers, if we were to think we are good, let us examine our heart, where our secret thoughts are, sins which are not confessed are. Let us lay before him. We do not know what is tomorrow, but will have to say if God wills he will save us, because he is merciful and forgiving. Let us repent because the kingdom of God is in our hand. If we neglect this so beautiful God, opportunity we will never get it we will only regret it.
Appo Prophet adam
Since quran is distorted, it is distorted in each and every way possible. An alteration in the person of Adam, the first of all creation of manhood. Dis-obeyed and fallen short of the glory of God. Can you still call someone who has sinned and fallen short of God's glory as a Prophet? Even if so, Bible never states Adam to be a prophet. A prophet's main idea in the book of Bible is to tell the people of God what God's will is, what God wants to say to us, to warn us if we sin what the consequences will be, will be a mediator between God and Man. But Adam fits to be nothing but sinned and became father of his sons. He paved the way for the Second Adam who obeyed God to the point of Death, Death on Cross. You call him Prophet too, but we call him Jesus Christ - The only true living God.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
John versus madiri ayiram versus Kuran n Gita la irukku ...
There are verses like John in the books of other faith.
A simple answer could be there are alternative products of iPhones in Chinese markets.
You also observe you moved from the person of Jesus Christ to the books which affirms him as God. I do not see any other book than John, which you pointed out. Kuran, Gita.... does not contain verses that states Jesus Christ as God. Now your point of argument failed because not even one verse which points or states Jesus Christ as God. But there is yes, not directly but indirectly. As stated in the above in couple of paragraphs I have stated Hinduism is not a religion, but it was a belief system based on a particular place where people who were searching for truth, light and way. These three thing for thousands and thousands of years search was answered and solution was given by Lord Jesus Christ.
"I am the way, truth and life". What else do we need?
Dai dabba thalaya's... British occupied the world and they forced Christian calendar on world.. if China occupied the world we would have followed Chinese calendar tats it
I wonder if we are in a particular situation we blame what others have done, so we are weaker and we does not even have intellectual aspect of recognizing and refusing it?
There are only three kinds of people in this world, One who see the change and wonder about it, other wonder what has happened, the final one is the one who will change it.
I consider those who believe in biological, cultural or any other reason one gives for a belief system, religion or thinking is equivalent to the kind of person, who wonder what happens.... Don't be like that wake up from the sleep, There was head hunters in the North east part of India, Missionaries went to such part of this country many giving up their life changed their behavior, mentality, customs, traditions, yes because of the person of Jesus Christ. Gandhi attended prayer meetings and Bible study in Africa. The first disciple who came to India around 50 AD-70 AD was martyred by the Hindus because they thought Apostle Thomas came from Israel to India to convert people.
It is like asking if I was born in Afghanistan or Pakistan I would be a muslim, in India mostly a hindu, etc...
But I would like to ask what about the freewill then? I do not have choice to choose anything I want? am I a robot? will you still consider yourself an atheist if your father or mother was an atheist. or suppose the view now you are holding is not true because it was just implanted in you system????
so foolishness that we can't. They why would we still blame the biological or historical incidents of what such and such did?
I have heard that sanskrit is very good for the computer language. Though I do not know what exactly it means, I think it is impossible for now to change the english language to sanskrit just because it is easy language to input in system than english. Partly because yes because english has been an international language through out the world. They could have used anything that came from roman or mythological calendars, systems, beliefs into India or any other countries that British occupied, but why Jews calendar? cannot God make his own choice to choose what we should follow? If it were implanted by them it is because of God no doubt, if you can rationally think otherwise you took it because that was easy and common.
Your argument is for the justice of the common man, Indian, other parts of the world were British ruled and put a condition on your thought process or obsession. Ask yourself the question as to what is happening in this country today? It is in fact from ancient time.
Yoga, What should one eat, building temples or the ideology of Hindutva???
Biological determinism (often shortened to "bio-determinism" and used synonymously with biologism or genetic determinism) is a common fallacy that implies that biology does and should completely dictate human behavior or the behavior of a certain subset of humans, such as black people or males. A frequent formulation is along the lines of, "Humans evolved to do this; it's natural." It is considered to be a form of pseudoscience or folk science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBtrznLRZYQ&index=2&list=PL6A1AE952ADCB31FB
First let us understand what exactly sunil believes in whether he believes in Jesus Christ as lord
I am afraid, if you have an iota of some other thought that have I about Lord Jesus Christ. But I am happy that he knows it and that is enough and that is the only concern I have first.
Does Bible & Quran gives the same message?
But rendu perum ore vishayatha dhan solli iruppanugo.....
Definitely not, some others do question and think that the God's of both this books are the same. But it is not so.
1. Bible is very different from any other books of this world. It was written over 1,000 to 1,500 years by 40 different authors and it consists of 66 books. It was written at different centuries and by different people at different situations and circumstances of life(at war, at peace, at prison, when they were shepherding the sheep...etc) but yet they all point out to one person - Jesus Christ. No one had any idea that they were writing "The Bible", but yet it was inspired by God and they were made to write in such a manner that forms "The Holy Bible". This is not possible for any other book in the history. Because such consistency in its message for such a long time ranging from 1,000-1,500 years is impossible, and then the other aspect is that it authors about 40. The Gospels which gives us the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ was written by his disciples, reliability for any historical documents are its source of how, who, when and what was written. If we consider Bible, when it was written after the people and incidents that took place. Gospels Matthew, Mark, John and Luke were written just after Jesus' ascension to heaven. So, its historically verifiable and accuracy at 100%. We now have more than 5,000 manuscripts of this Gospels (Manuscripts are copies that were written by scribes, they copied from the original texts written by the authors, since there was no printing press or xerox, it was hand copied by this scribes, scribes are very efficient in copying the text, as they use to calculate the number of letters from each page and then see the copied text if the same text has been copied, when they were copying they know it is the "Word of God", so they took caution at each and every letter that they were copying). Though Bible does not give us the whole picture of how the Universe was created, it denotes/points to a creator - God. It presumes that God exists - Eternally. And it is Elohim. Then it points to the order of creation and why humans was given such specialty, because they were made in the image/likeness of God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvtOJ3Gwlyo
This is not so with Quran or Vedas/Bagavat Gita/Ramayanam etc. Because these are written by a particular person. For Ex: Quran was written by Mohammed and at first he got dilutions, dreams, visions and nightmares that God told him to write a book - Quran. He use to spit up and have bad head ace. Then he confirmed that this is word of god by his wife. Historical references states that he did not write even a single word in quran(as he was illiterate) but his followers wrote. It is said that each and every word was told by angel Gabriel and quran was written - word to word the word of god. We will see some of the texts and could prove that this cannot be true.
a) Texts that are not scientific
Sun setting is given very unscientifically in quran, Quran 18:83
when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/11/quran-error-does-sun-set-in-muddy.html
b) Texts that benefit the prophet personally.
On polygamy, child marriage, treatment of woman. etc
Pattern of marriage set by the Mohammed, as he married a six year old girl.
Sahih Muslim 3480—It was narrated that Aishah said: “The Prophet married me when I was six years old, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old.”
c) Texts that can be formed by simple usage of language and no special revelation is required
According to the 109th Surah of the Qur’an, Muhammad and the unbelievers did not worship the same Being:
Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.there are many other verses which contradicts the statements of simple logic.
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2017/10/answering-islam-4-did-muhammad-use.html
2. God of Christianity and Islam
God of Justice: Bible gives many references that God will Justify the sins of people, Though Israel was the chosen nation, when they sinned against God, God punished them. The ultimate sacrifice and an answer for all the sins of this world is in the Cross. Where Jesus was crucified for our sins. Making a way for us sinners to reach God - Who is Holy, Pure.
Islam's way of Judgment is very different from Christianity,
a) Forgiveness in Christianity and Islam
Repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and savior: In the old testament God allowed people to sacrifice animals instead of them and an offering for the sins, but this cannot save anyone of their sins. So, Jesus Christ is the lamb of God who came to save the sinners. As all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, all should have been punished for our sins. Since God is Truth, Perfect, Holy he cannot accept anyone who has done even a small sin like a lie, or a theft etc. So, God made a perfect way for us to come to him through Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 10:4-6 (NLV)
The blood of animals cannot take away the sins of men.
In The New Way of Worship One Gift Was Given
5 When Christ came to the world, He said to God, “You do not want animals killed or gifts given in worship. You have made My body ready to give as a gift. 6 You are not pleased with animals that have been killed or burned and given as gifts on the altar to take away sin.
The Quran says that Allah forgives all the sins committed by his slaves.
Say: “O 'Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily Allah forgives ALL sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And turn in repentance and in obedience with true Faith (Islamic Monotheism) to your Lord and submit to Him, (in Islam), before the torment comes upon you, then you will not be helped.” S. 39:53-54
b) Trinity In Christianity
Jesus Christ is not a God, He is the only God. But in Christianity there is Trinity, where God the Father, God the Son - Jesus Christ and God the Holy Spirit. They three are the same one God, but in three personalities. How can it be? it is a mystery. God is omnipotent, he can know our past, present and future. He cannot be seen by any human eye. Because he is pure and holy. As we have sinned and fallen short of his glory we are limited in our understanding of God in full, but God himself represented in the form of Man - Jesus Christ. When we see Jesus Christ as Son of God, he is a person in Trinity and God, that is why when he was crucified he was dead as Man, but still alive as God. Even when he born as a child that does not mean he took birth only two thousand years ago. He existed forever - Everlasting, only he took the form of Man at two thousand years ago. A simple understanding as to why God should be three persons and not one is to see who God would have spoken before creating Universe? Islam cannot answer as allah is one and only one, cannot have a Son or relationship with any other. So, Islam cannot answer as to who did allah spoke when he created everything? as far as Hinduism or any other religious belief consists nothing answers where there was "Unity in Diversity" as like the Judeo- Christian vies of God as Trinity. God is one in one sense and three in another sense. i.e in persons.
What is Hinduism?
A very basic reference to who was called a Hindu could be found in the ancient books and traditions and rituals. Basically anyone who crosses the river Indus was called as an Hindu. Hinduism consists of varied concepts of God, creation, existence, purpose and destiny. We can see that the tradition dates back to very old as human history in BCs. Basically people were searching for Truth, the oneness of God - One True God(even Vedas states the same) in fact the Vedas prohibit Idol worship which is predominant in Hinduism.
Is Idol worship right?
Prohibition of Idol Worship in Yajurveda
"There is no image of him. He is unborned and He should be worshipped" (Yajurveda, Chapter 32, Verse 3)
"god is bodyless and pure" (Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 8)
"They are entering darkness, those who worship the natural things(like air, water, fire etc.
So, these people were searching for Truth, Light, Meaning and Purpose of Life. It can be seen from one of the ancient poem:
असतोम सद्गमय, Asatoma Sadgamaya – From Unreal Lead me to Real
तमसोमा ज्योतिर्गमय,Tamasoma Jyotirgamaya – From Darkness Lead me to Light
मृत्योर्मा अमृतंगमया, Mrityorma Amritamgamaya – From Death Lead me to Immortality
The person of Jesus answers these questions in the Gospels.
When he said,
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. He brings all these converging points into one answer, "I AM".
For centuries people were searching for an answer for the way, how can I reach to God? Will I attain Heaven - Place where God is seated. Will I be with God forever? When Jesus came he not only showed the Way, but he is the only Way to Heaven. No matter what we try to please God the Father it is impossible for us to live up to the standards which confirms Truth, Holiness and Perfectness, because of the concept of "Original Sin" that all of us have fallen short and we can never be able to be so Pure as God, we will have to submit and surrender our will to God himself, who found a Way, the only Way for us to reach him. Through Jesus Christ, his sacrifice by Crucifixion on the Cross, was not only for the remission of sins by shedding the blood, but a pathway to God, Heaven.
Jesus said, "I am the light of the world". Because he knows the darkness in this world, not that kind of darkness that comes in the night, but the darkness in sin that is with you and in me. The beginning verses of The Gospel of John states this... quote John 3:19 NIV
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
He said this propounding statement of Way, Truth and Life to the one who came to preach the Gospel to the part of World which was crying to find the Way, was trying hard to know the Truth and to the one who cares for Life and to fulfill its purpose. Yes, Thomas came to India at about 50-100 AD, Just after Jesus' ascension to Heaven as one of the Disciples who doubted if Jesus resurrected, to whom Jesus appeared and asked not to doubt, asked him to touch and feel the nailed hand and the pierced side. He confessed, "My Lord, my God".
John 20:26-28English Standard Version (ESV)
26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX-fenrA3cM
Jesus The Only Way - Rajkumar Ramachandran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UQDfimGxTM&t=14s
Quran is the last holy book which came to earth after bible so definitely u can compare both of them as moral of both the books are same ie "Believe in one god". In Bible the messenger was Jesus Christ and in quran it was prophet Mohammed who came with one message "Believe in one god".
[10:06 AM, 11/21/2017] +91 99642 73184: Two things... 1st. We don't believe anything after Bible as Word of God. 2nd Jesus is referenced as messenger, prophet or guru in other references, but not in Bible. Also Bible has the ultimate authority over the divinity of Christ.
so, Bible is not like Quran stating that each and every word has been dictated by God for word to word revelation from God written by man. Instead what we believe is "Inspiration/God Breathed" what does this mean?
Among 40 authors in the Bible, many were fishermen, kings, professional in different fields, etc. So, God used these people to reveal his word through their understanding and learning. Ex: Paul who was converted from orthodox Judaism to Christ follower by a vision (Acts 9) was a student in Judaism, and a profound thinker and researcher. which allowed him to write more than 60% of New Testament in the Bible.
It is impossible to ascertain how these 40 authors for a period of 1000 to 1500 years were able to write with the same theme and objective of the person of Jesus Christ, this is because of the "Inspiration of The Holy Spirit".
Quran distorts the truth:
Jesus as Son of God: Gospel of John starts with, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God". The "Word" here is Jesus Christ. This also answers the question, "If Jesus came into existence only after his birth as a child in Bethlehem?" The answer is No. As we can see Jesus was in the beginning(before Universe was created), he was with God(as Son of God - Person of Trinity) and he was God(God Himself - "The Great I AM")
If quran diminishes the deity of Jesus Christ that means it cannot be the word of god. In fact it denounces by stating falsehood about Jesus as Son of a carpenter and not Son of God, it states God did not allow Jesus to die on cross, but the history and Bible confirms that Jesus died on cross and resurrected on 3rd day.
How can God delude some into thinking "it was made appear as Jesus was on the cross, but it was some one else?" is God a delusion?
quran cannot answer many other questions. Scientifically, logically, historically, morally it has flaws which can be proved by the very existence of the nature.
[10:23 AM, 11/21/2017] +91 99642 73184: No matter what, there is something called as absolute truth. No one can claim that without both coherence and facts. Only Judeo-Christian has it.
Now to understand any particular statement we need to understand the basic logic. For Ex: If I say all cats are animals, all animals are not cats then its a mutually exclusive statement if I say, Some Animals are Cats.
If we consider religion to be a subjective matter, ex: I like strawberry, some others like orange. We are assuming religion to be just a part of our life and it is based on feelings. But actually it is not.
Now when we say God. He is not subjective and there is nothing to do with though process. Because any other entity will have a reference, but God exists out of a reference point. Ex: I am a Human Being I exist because I live, I consume food, I intake oxygen for breathing etc. God is everlasting.
What forms as religion of this world is subjective and it is according to each person's thought process. But a truth claim cannot consider this statement. This statement does not have any proof of its own. It is flawed by its own statement that there is a belief system that is not according to the right path or right way, and it is subjective and according to the thought process is because of its basic structure.
Paul states this in the book of Romans:
Romans 1:18-32New International Version (NIV)
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
IF we were to say a beautiful picture in a paper is somehow by nature the required amount of ink, structure and color was added and it came into existence no one will believe. So, can we consider that as subjective? I don't feel like some one would have drawn it? No. These are absolute truth, I say someone should have drawn it. It is impossible for the nature to create such thing.
Now, we get into the fact of life. Sin is true. Its very evident with the evil nature that we each and everyone have. Either lying, stealing, getting angry. etc.
Now, if some one says I don't believe in the existence of gravity so I will walk in and through a cliff, or jumps from a cliff stating since I don't believe in gravity. Will have be able to walk in the sky? can he be able to over come the force of gravity? No. Such is the case with the existence of God.
There are many other theories to prove the existence of God, but only those who can reason and understand the meaning of Truth will accept it. There is a factor of risk in believing God. Accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. Because once we accept and surrender to God all our will, our life, our freedom should be given to him. In fact we have to submit and surrender ourselves to him. This will limit us doing sinful things, becoming God for ourselves, leaving our old form of life. etc. this is where many people fear, John clearly stated this right when he said,
John3:19 New International Version (NIV)
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
I still wonder why some people will start with their and other sinful nature when we start to speak about God. Because they know what they do and say is wrong but does not know the way to come out of that darkness. Jesus said, "I am the light of the World".He came to save the lost, He came to save the sinners.
The horizontal is a little easier to understand because it does not require much philosophizing. The basic argument is that all things that have beginnings had to have causes. The universe had a beginning; therefore, the universe had a cause. That cause, being outside the whole universe, is God.
https://www.gotquestions.org/cosmological-argument.html
How other religions began?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLcCY1mapgQ
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How other religions started?
Where Someone had a Private Idea about God and Someone had a Private dream about God then Someone had a Private encounter with an angel...etc Then that someone told the rest of the World.
So, This makes other religions impossible to verify because there are no eye-witnesses of the prime event.
But Christianity is like none of these religions:
This is how Christianity Started:
Jesus spent 3 years doing Miracles & Teaching Publicly:
Jesus was executed Publicly
Jesus was buried and rose from a public tomb Publicly
Jesus showed that he was alive Publicly
The Public told the rest of the world
Christianity is the world's most testable religion.
So, a true religion Christianity cannot just be a belief system, where it is neither subjective nor its because of each person's thought process.
A simple analysis of the growth of Christianity could be the answer, Jewish religious leaders or any historians would tell that a religion like Christianity could not have grown to such extent if the facts were not so true.
I'm just telling concept of God is individual choice.
This is a statement that assumes that since the person has made a choice to believe or not to believe he concludes that the concept of God itself is an individual's choice. There are more than one logical errors in this statement. If I say "all cats are animals, that does not mean all the animals should be cats only", because there are many other animals.. Just because I know Cats I cannot conclude animals should be cats only.
(till now I didn't even read one page of bagavath geetha)
Just before this statement the person states that he has not even read one page of a religious text that he supports or believes. So, not a strong statement to make an argument. The statement's weakness leads to poor judgmental and analysis of scientific facts and data.
No matter what, there is something called as absolute truth. No one can claim that without both coherence and facts. Only Judeo-Christian has it.
What is Absolute Truth?
Truth is said to be the most valuable aspect in our life. Jesus said, I am the Truth... Know the Truth, truth will set you free...
John 18:37King James Version (KJV)
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
There was an article on Temptations in one of the Airline magazine that went like this. There was this man sitting next to an attractive women.
https://www.rforh.com/resources/know-it/diving-deeper/makes-christianity-right
https://www.gotquestions.org/absolute-truth.html
If Christianity claims that it is the one true religion and there cannot be any other way to God. It is a Absolute truth statement. There are basically three types of tests to prove if this is correct. Christianity passes all these tests. If Christianity is a true religion, then is there a possibility of other religion's claim to be the right one? No, since the claim of Christianity is that not all the ways (or religions/beliefs/systems/Guru/Gods etc) can lead to eternal life or heaven. Christianity claims or Jesus Christ claims that he is the one and only true God and he is the only way to God and there is no other way to heaven.
Concept of God
Now someone can simply state I know the concept of God, that it differs from each person to person because we have hundreds of thousands of religion. What they try to say is by their limited thinking and understanding what they think is that God as a concept is just a personal opinion. But this cannot be true. For ex: I don't know if Bermuda Triangle case are true or false because I have not been there. So, I cannot say there is no Bermuda Triangle as I have never realized it. Same goes with the concept of God.
Theory until proven is just concept soo all religions are belief systems.. they can't be proven as absolute truth so concept of god is called "belief"
[10:35 AM, 11/21/2017] +91 99642 73184: Even science gives is theories, but we believe in it. No one was there when the big bang happens can we reject just because no one was there?
But there are enough proofs for the person of Jesus Christ's Birth, life, death and resurrection. That no other historical manuscripts has so much accuracy as the Gospels(about 5,000) and were written by eye witnesses with in 50-100 AD
This again is a self-contradicting statement, "Can't be proven as absolute truth" in itself a statement that he tries to establish as a truth statement that others should believe in???
Theory until proven is just concept: So, Theories about Jesus Christ or Christianity all have been proven. So, its no more a concept. So, Christianity has proven that its not just a personal choice that makes this as a religious belief, but it is a fact that Jesus Christ existed, his life, death on cross, resurrection after three days and ascension to heaven and is alive forevermore.
Can't be proven as absolute truth: when the evidences are so clear and to denounce just in a statement anything can be said. I can say 2+2 is not equal to 4, but its 5. Will it become a fact just because I said so??? No statement should be made without proper assessment of the subject and object in a statement. If we try to make such statements we fail in more than one logical tests.
Logical inconsistencies....
Theory until proven - Science has not proved many concepts (Big Bang) but with all the facts they have come to a conclusion that Universe should have a beginning. All religions can be said as belief systems, but Christianity claims to be the only true religion. So, its not a belief system. There are enough proofs and evidences for Christ as God and it is therefore an Absolute Truth and as we could see it proved as not just a theory there is no point to bring the concept of God again.
Logically Consistent statement:
Theories were proven in Christ's life, death & resurrection, so its no more just a concept of God, all religions are not the same, Christianity claims to be the only true religion. So, its not a belief system. There are many proofs and evidences, in fact Christianity is the only religion that accepts the facts to be verified. So, Christ's claim of Divinity i.e God is an absolute truth statement and he is God. So people all around the world believe in him.
B.C reference illeya - Is there no reference for BC? in Manuscripts?
of course we have. Plenty of them.
Dead sea scrolls:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
Get to know something about Carbon-Dating system. Which confirms when and where those manuscripts were written. Just like humans, animals and plants have DNAs these manuscripts were written on either Animal skins:(The term parchment is a general term for an animal skin which has been prepared for writing or printing. Parchment has been made for centuries, and is usually calf, goat, or sheep skin. The term vellum from the French veau refers to a parchment made from calf skin.)
If you are asking about the references for Jesus Christ in BC. In the Bible it says he existed forever, everlasting, Almighty God. Jesus' birth was predicted more than 700 years by a Prophet called Isaiah, there are more number of references in the Bible in BC for Jesus Christ than any other person.
The whole Bible, which in one sense tells that the World could have had a beginning for about 7,000 to 14,000 years ago. This is exact calculation from the birth of Adam till now. In another reference considering the years that might have been millions of years(when satan was thrown from heaven) dates to any of the scientific dates like 15 millions to some billions of years. But Bible refers that God created the Heavens and Earth at the very first verse. So, Jesus was there in the beginning before anything was created, because he was God, he is God and he will be the only God forever.
In fact not only the date of his birth, but the place of birth, to which bloodline he will born. All were predicted or prophesied and everything has happened as exactly as it is.
Who said Jesus is not a historical figure.. it also a fact that Buddha was born , Mahaveer Jain was born, Mohammed was born.. all are historical facts.. concept of God and belief systems that they are messagerns of God or God themselves is subjective and can't be proven.. it is subjective to each person's belief system
[10:46 AM, 11/21/2017] +91 99642 73184: Can you prove me any 1 in history proved as God like Jesus. He claimed to be God(The great IAM) which means he does not has a beginning nor end. He claimed that he will die and resurrect after 3 days, as said he did. So, there could be many who claimed to be God or to know God. But Jesus alone proved it.
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Not so... and here is why.
I never said that you claimed that Jesus never existed and never did I claim that Buddha or any other personalities were born. Here you see, you limited the fact that the divinity of Jesus is not only by his birth, but most importantly his life, death and resurrection. No one in the history of mankind claimed to have resurrected and lived forever and only God can and that is Jesus Christ. Any other person who claimed to do so, failed. Ex: Mohammed died drinking poison, which he said he will not die. All the myths and mythological characters died. Buddha died, in fact he was so confused about the meaning and purpose of life, and the complexity in understanding life after death. He gave up all the things which he liked and gave up.
Again "Concept of God", "Belief System" proved to be the correct one in Christianity. I am not stating it is false you are. Need to check and verify the facts rather than limiting it will not make an argument correct.
Here again there is no direct answer to my question as to prove if anyone person in the history like Jesus who proved to be the God.
Historic happening sare classified as BC and AD ... BC asserts that there were people , animals, and also god before christ born ..
[10:54 AM, 11/21/2017] +91 99642 73184: Andha BC kum AD karaname avur than.... Jesus was born 2,017 years before means, that year he took the form of man (that is for a specific purpose - to die for the sins) but as he said he is everlasting....
John 8:58
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
If we were to compare Christ with other historical figures you are right in stating that Jesus was born 2,000 years ago and Christianity came into existence only after that. But the fact is Jesus' birth as a human took place about 2,000 years ago. But he is an everlasting God, he has no beginning nor end. First we need to separate Jesus from comparing with other historical people or those who claimed to know God or Gods, because he is unique, No one ever was or will be able to do what he has done. He claimed to be God and proved it. There are many other people you suggest, they either claimed to be God and did not prove it or they never even claimed to be God nor did they proved to be God.
U can include it as well along with some 1000's of other belief system.. to be precise there are as many belief systems as there are human beings as even with single religion.. each person's imagination of God is different
again the problem of generalization, just because I see it as an apple, it should be apple. But brother you are looking into an orange tree. I saw it as an orange because neither apple nor any other fruit other than orange can grow in an orange tree. If what you said in the above statement is true, then there should have been 8 billion + Gods. Is that true? believing in everything is equal to believing in nothing. I state this: those who claim that all the ways will lead to heaven make an absolute truth claim, what they claim is false because Christianity is the only true religion and if Christianity is the true religion their claim cannot be true. Their claim in itself is falsehood. There is no guarantee, proof, not understanding that they also try to ascertain their belief to others, they claim their statement as truth.
What the above statement says is if I believe in certain way, everyone has to believe in that way only. Not so. There are many things that are different but yet God has to be same, one true God has to be there and that too the person of Jesus Christ, God head of three. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The whole idea of pantheism is to believe in everything, do whatever you want, you can pay the karma later. All the ways will lead to heaven, you can pay the karma later and what you are is because of your Good or Bad deeds you did it in the last generation. ???
There is no end in the circle of karma and dharma. There is no point of re-generation if your sins are not forgiven, because you will never attain moksha or Heaven if only you are like God, Pure and Holy which you can never be. So, what is the solution the panthestic world view gives??? Believe and do the duties to the worthless idols??? imaginations and rootless and worthless dedications???
God in the person of Jesus never limits anyone's Good deeds, but is there any Good than God? So, even if we do all the good can we ever be like God? No, never. This is the reason why Jesus claims that it is impossible for man, but possible by God. He showed the way to heaven for us by sacrificing himself in our place. The most difficult part in forgiveness of Sin is not paying with our own blood, which will not resolve the problem, but accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, because his Blood is precious not every man can get the salvation, but the only who believes that there is no way that I can by myself cleans the heart that is contaminated by the pollution of the world.
So u believe that Jesus christ is the god or lord or almighty whatever u call?
It is not whatever I call, It is what he claimed to be and what he proved to me and all those who believe him. So, you question suggests that you do not believe so because what you believe in Jesus Christ is all about what you have been told in quran. Which I consider to be a false statement of the Truth. Can anyone believe a statement written by an eyewitness and at the movement of the person's life or after some 500-700 years and have no clue about that person? I consider the quran to be a distorted historical facts, which claims to be the word of god, when the concept of God is not proved and the belief system which has no proper evidences. A simple analysis of few verses give us an idea about quran and its god and its ideology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2htOWOF4gqs
Ask Jesus when he talks to you.. Why world is following soo many religions.. if all the living beings are his creation then y God has sent only homosapien and not chicken, goat, sheep, why male y not female... Y he made dinosaurs go extent
Why world is following soo many religions?
Its like asking why do we have so many varieties/flavors of Ice creams? No, but this is just a simple question. To answer your question. I wanted you to think why can't it be more than one religion? God is Love. Not that kind of love which we understand as to give me something in return I will give you something. The highest form of human relationships like Mother loving a Child, a lover loving his/her loved once. Can't even compared with the kind of Love that God has for us Humans. Having said that you can ask then why he did not allow every one to believe in him only? Because of the fact that he Loves us. Say, if God made everyone to believe in him only, as the True and Loving God. It would be like a robotic system. You cannot Love a person so much that if you do not give him the freedom of choice, what we call it in theology as "Freewill". This is the only point of reference that can be bought anyone to be knees to bow down and worship the creator who is so creative and pure and loving like Lord Jesus. He has given me the choice to chose him and I know that God is Love and so in response for his unlimited Love I care to do so by willing to share his Love, to worship and honor him. He did not just leave us with the freewill, for whoever goes to him submitting and surrendering his will to God's will, for him God will reveal everything.
I bet you could ask the second part of the question to any of the pantheistic world view person, who believes everything as God, not me... Believing Chicken, Goat, Sheep, Male only etc.... as God or gods.
Then your question to me can be pointed to the person of Jesus Christ as a Human and Male:
God because of his unlimited Love towards us humans, chose to become one among us. This is not a choice that he made after looking at our condition. But it was pre-destined that Christ will be born as a child and will be Jesus, as a Son of Carpenter - Just a human being he claimed to be God, it is impossible to believe, how God can become human? Jews rejected it, Islam never thought about it, many other religions just took it as another gods in their stream. But God chose his only begotten son
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Can't God chose what he wants to be? He can as for as Jesus Christ is concerned. He is the true God, who claimed to be God, who was God, who will God forever.
Dinosaurs going extinct has got nothing to prove that he doesn't exist. In fact your concern is about something that is irrelevant for this point, as to why he made that in first place? do you think about that, that means you believe that Jesus is The God and the only God. He is the person in the God head of the Trinity? If not your question here is irrelevant.
It is like stating I believe in the evil in this world, satan, demon, wrongs. but not God? because I see more bad than good around me, so it is possible God is silent or he is not there? All of your assumptions will be failed if just you turn the perspective towards the person of Jesus Christ on the cross. He said, "Father, forgive them for they doesn't know what they are doing". He said to those who questioned him, "if you are God, come down so that we may believe" to those who said, "He claimed to be God, saved many but today he could not able to save himself". to those who spat on him, to those who crucified him, who made fun of him. Even to me and to you.
Can you prove me any 1 in history proved as God like Jesus. /
Who proved that Jesus as God ?
What do you want as proof? think of all possible ways of how you want a God, who created the Universe, who is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. Who from the beginning revealed himself through the burning bush to Moses, lead the Israelite through the wilderness, made the red sea open and paved a way for the people of God to pass through it, when the water was like Ice stood between them and allowed only the Egyptians to collapse and die in it. Who through prophets and kings and poets and writers through centuries after centuries blessed them, forgave them, led them. And finally came as a Human in the person of Jesus Christ to forgive your and my sins. Every heart beat knows deep inside a part that cannot be filled, the search for the truth, who can save me from my sins? when I can never become like God, what is the solution? what happens after this life? cry of human heart, weakness and failures because of our nature, who can but God alone can cure it. And it was God Jesus Chris who in form of Human just like you and me, born in a poor family, lived a simple life, knowing who he is, but never used his power for vain, but for a purpose. Died on the cross, shed the blood. As all the animal sacrificed to save us from our sins, for all the offerings put together could never save from our sins. Jesus took the form of Human and allowed himself to be crucified on the cross, took that pain, ever wondered why? because of his Love towards us. He broke that movement the bridge between Heaven and Earth, to your and mine heart to connect with that of God's heart. He opened up the place that is called as the holy of hollies that we may enter in the presence of God, that pure and that perfect God. You ask me why? let us rather than asking to prove, submit and surrender our will, for we know there is no other way, no other solutions for our sins, no other gods or god can help us in this way as like Jesus. He turned the worst of the criminals to be his followers, if we were to think we are good, let us examine our heart, where our secret thoughts are, sins which are not confessed are. Let us lay before him. We do not know what is tomorrow, but will have to say if God wills he will save us, because he is merciful and forgiving. Let us repent because the kingdom of God is in our hand. If we neglect this so beautiful God, opportunity we will never get it we will only regret it.
Appo Prophet adam
Since quran is distorted, it is distorted in each and every way possible. An alteration in the person of Adam, the first of all creation of manhood. Dis-obeyed and fallen short of the glory of God. Can you still call someone who has sinned and fallen short of God's glory as a Prophet? Even if so, Bible never states Adam to be a prophet. A prophet's main idea in the book of Bible is to tell the people of God what God's will is, what God wants to say to us, to warn us if we sin what the consequences will be, will be a mediator between God and Man. But Adam fits to be nothing but sinned and became father of his sons. He paved the way for the Second Adam who obeyed God to the point of Death, Death on Cross. You call him Prophet too, but we call him Jesus Christ - The only true living God.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
John versus madiri ayiram versus Kuran n Gita la irukku ...
There are verses like John in the books of other faith.
A simple answer could be there are alternative products of iPhones in Chinese markets.
You also observe you moved from the person of Jesus Christ to the books which affirms him as God. I do not see any other book than John, which you pointed out. Kuran, Gita.... does not contain verses that states Jesus Christ as God. Now your point of argument failed because not even one verse which points or states Jesus Christ as God. But there is yes, not directly but indirectly. As stated in the above in couple of paragraphs I have stated Hinduism is not a religion, but it was a belief system based on a particular place where people who were searching for truth, light and way. These three thing for thousands and thousands of years search was answered and solution was given by Lord Jesus Christ.
"I am the way, truth and life". What else do we need?
Dai dabba thalaya's... British occupied the world and they forced Christian calendar on world.. if China occupied the world we would have followed Chinese calendar tats it
I wonder if we are in a particular situation we blame what others have done, so we are weaker and we does not even have intellectual aspect of recognizing and refusing it?
There are only three kinds of people in this world, One who see the change and wonder about it, other wonder what has happened, the final one is the one who will change it.
I consider those who believe in biological, cultural or any other reason one gives for a belief system, religion or thinking is equivalent to the kind of person, who wonder what happens.... Don't be like that wake up from the sleep, There was head hunters in the North east part of India, Missionaries went to such part of this country many giving up their life changed their behavior, mentality, customs, traditions, yes because of the person of Jesus Christ. Gandhi attended prayer meetings and Bible study in Africa. The first disciple who came to India around 50 AD-70 AD was martyred by the Hindus because they thought Apostle Thomas came from Israel to India to convert people.
It is like asking if I was born in Afghanistan or Pakistan I would be a muslim, in India mostly a hindu, etc...
But I would like to ask what about the freewill then? I do not have choice to choose anything I want? am I a robot? will you still consider yourself an atheist if your father or mother was an atheist. or suppose the view now you are holding is not true because it was just implanted in you system????
so foolishness that we can't. They why would we still blame the biological or historical incidents of what such and such did?
I have heard that sanskrit is very good for the computer language. Though I do not know what exactly it means, I think it is impossible for now to change the english language to sanskrit just because it is easy language to input in system than english. Partly because yes because english has been an international language through out the world. They could have used anything that came from roman or mythological calendars, systems, beliefs into India or any other countries that British occupied, but why Jews calendar? cannot God make his own choice to choose what we should follow? If it were implanted by them it is because of God no doubt, if you can rationally think otherwise you took it because that was easy and common.
Your argument is for the justice of the common man, Indian, other parts of the world were British ruled and put a condition on your thought process or obsession. Ask yourself the question as to what is happening in this country today? It is in fact from ancient time.
Yoga, What should one eat, building temples or the ideology of Hindutva???
Biological determinism (often shortened to "bio-determinism" and used synonymously with biologism or genetic determinism) is a common fallacy that implies that biology does and should completely dictate human behavior or the behavior of a certain subset of humans, such as black people or males. A frequent formulation is along the lines of, "Humans evolved to do this; it's natural." It is considered to be a form of pseudoscience or folk science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBtrznLRZYQ&index=2&list=PL6A1AE952ADCB31FB
First let us understand what exactly sunil believes in whether he believes in Jesus Christ as lord
I am afraid, if you have an iota of some other thought that have I about Lord Jesus Christ. But I am happy that he knows it and that is enough and that is the only concern I have first.
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